Which stage are you at?
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This probably outs me as an old fart, but my first computer experiences were with assembly and BASIC intepreters, then things like COBOL, Fortran, and Pascal.
I remember when Bill Gates got his panties in a wad over people sharing MS BASIC and always tried to steer clear of M$ products from then on, although I did have the common misfortune of having to use Windows in several work environments throughout my career. Luckily, the last I ever had to touch as an admin/user was Windows 7.
My personal desktop OS history is as follows:
Solaris -> OpenBSD -> Slackware -> Debian -> SuSE -> Mandrake -> Gentoo -> Redhat -> Fedora -> Sidux -> Arch -> OpenSUSE -> Mint.
I stick with Mint because I don’t want to spend my time tinkering on the OS, and it makes helping all the noobs/non-techies I have convinced to switch to Linux over the years that much easier. This is well over a hundred at this point, and you know who most of them come to when they have a problem. With Mint, they seldom have any issues.
The years I spent tinkering taught me a lot, especially on the rolling OSes, but these days I appreciate having a system that just works reliably, so I can spend my time tinkering on my own projects instead. I have VMs for other OSes as needed anyways.
Now you damn kids get off my lawn!
I use mint on my PC and love it! However I’m now the ipad kid of Linux. It never breaks, I never have to learn anything. Just getting it up and running is the zenith of my knowledge and ability.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
Why in the world is Fedora peak enlightenment. Any well run, simple, community run distro is peak enlightenment.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
Ubuntu and Mint need to be repeated on the far right (the actual Sesame Street definition of “right”, not Nazis)
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Why in the world is Fedora peak enlightenment. Any well run, simple, community run distro is peak enlightenment.
It’s Ubuntu for people who think Ubuntu is for noobs. A little bit further ahead, you find Ubuntu again.
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Ubuntu and Mint need to be repeated on the far right (the actual Sesame Street definition of “right”, not Nazis)
Seriously. I feel like the people I know who know the most about computing have the least preferences for a distro, if they even use Linux at all.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
FIFY
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Yeah they’re on like alpha 7 I think? That sucks. I hope OpenSUSE is treating you better.
I see it’s just recently been announced about the beta. Great that they’re hearing up for release. I’m in support of what they’re doing I think I realised that I didn’t like Gnome (neither does System76 by the looks!).
OpenSUSE TW with KDE is perfect for me. Not a sexy/flashy distro but it is the most robust rolling release I’ve seen, and maintained by a European company that has been working on it for decades.
Particularly like the QC/staggered addition of packages and YAST.
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It’s Ubuntu for people who think Ubuntu is for noobs. A little bit further ahead, you find Ubuntu again.
Yeah because fedora is made by a for-profit company that’s helping Microsoft EEE Linux, has sold user data to Amazon, shows ads in the terminal, collects contact info from Azure so the marketing team can upsell you, and hijacks established commands to trick you into using their package manager which slows down boot times with every package installed, oh wait…
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Yeah because fedora is made by a for-profit company that’s helping Microsoft EEE Linux, has sold user data to Amazon, shows ads in the terminal, collects contact info from Azure so the marketing team can upsell you, and hijacks established commands to trick you into using their package manager which slows down boot times with every package installed, oh wait…
Fedora is indeed mostly backed by a for-profit company, always was. Not sure about the rest of the rant, I’m gonna assume you are right.
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Fedora is indeed mostly backed by a for-profit company, always was. Not sure about the rest of the rant, I’m gonna assume you are right.
Fedora is indeed mostly backed by a for-profit company, always was.
Pretty much every successful FOSS project is funded by for-profits, but that doesn’t change the fact non-profit companies have completely different goals and obligations.
Not sure about the rest of the rant
That explains why you think people don’t use Ubuntu because it’s for noobs. They’re undoubtedly the scummiest distro since Novell-SUSE.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I know nothing, and I’m keeping it that way
My system of choice is Mint, btw
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Why in the world is Fedora peak enlightenment. Any well run, simple, community run distro is peak enlightenment.
Right, how is anything more sustainable than Debian?
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I’m gonna put this out there: If you can do Endeavour or Manjaro, you can do Arch, and Arch is in no way less stable than Tumbleweed. All you need to do is to pick btrfs and enable snapshots and then never use them.
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I’m gonna put this out there: If you can do Endeavour or Manjaro, you can do Arch, and Arch is in no way less stable than Tumbleweed. All you need to do is to pick btrfs and enable snapshots and then never use them.
Isn’t Endeavour just easy install arch?
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Isn’t Endeavour just easy install arch?
Manjaro too, but with even more interference
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Manjaro too, but with even more interference
You mean because manjaro packages are older than arch right?
My understanding is that Endevouros just uses the same repos as arch while manjaro delays the package releases for testing, so the packages you get on Endevouros are essentially the same as arch but the same can’t be said of manjaro.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I went slackware to debian and am now at ubuntu. Give me a reason to waste my time with any of the others and I might. It wont be arch though. If want something like arch I might as well go back to slackware.
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Fedora fucked up my PC way more times in a year than Gentoo did in 3.
I’m not leaving Gentoo.
I’ve updated fedora releases for like 10 years with zero issues, even went from one laptop to the other and dd’d three times to new SSDs without reinstalling.
I think it may be you who fucked up your PC.
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I went slackware to debian and am now at ubuntu. Give me a reason to waste my time with any of the others and I might. It wont be arch though. If want something like arch I might as well go back to slackware.
I fucking love Ubuntu. Have been on it for about 5 years now. It just works AND doesn’t spy or advertise. Nobody has ever been able to convince me it gets better than that. I don’t need stuff to be difficult to prove to myself I’m smart.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I am so sick of seeing this ridiculous diagram being labeled the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. Go read the actual 1999 paper they wrote. The key takeaway is that the lowest quartile of people tend to overestimate their own performance, and the top quartile underestimate theirs. It doesn’t posit anything like this graph, and this is just an ironic example of ignorance.
And second, I am so sick of seeing these ridiculous distro comparisons. Stop with this elitism, even if done humorously. People of all experience levels can be found using different distros, and they all have unique advantages, disadvantages, and communities built around them. Don’t shame the great effort that people put into maintaining and developing distros, repositories, and packages. A noob can use Arch, and a master can use Ubuntu. Use what appeals to you, and be happy in knowing you can experiment or stick to anything. This is the beauty of FOSS and the Linux ecosystem; it’s a great place for both tinkerers as well as those who want familiarity. There is no one true way.
