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  3. The party of Germany's Chancellor Friedrich Merz, CDU, is projected to win the NRW municipal vote, with the far-right AfD making major gains.

The party of Germany's Chancellor Friedrich Merz, CDU, is projected to win the NRW municipal vote, with the far-right AfD making major gains.

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  • Alex P RoeA Alex P Roe

    @Eetschrijver @GottaLaff Well, first youโ€™ve got to wake people up and politicians could do this though no longer through much of the media. And the message needs to be coordinated. Itโ€™d be good to back things up with facts but even they donโ€™t tend to work so well today.

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    @alex_p_roe
    Yes, that's what I mean by well-meshed. It's hard to drown out a few hundred megaphones blaring out a propaganda message in unison, especially with the way the opposition is (being kept) divided.
    @GottaLaff

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      @alex_p_roe
      Yes, that's what I mean by well-meshed. It's hard to drown out a few hundred megaphones blaring out a propaganda message in unison, especially with the way the opposition is (being kept) divided.
      @GottaLaff

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      @Eetschrijver @GottaLaff Well meshed because itโ€™s very well funded! Itโ€™s not easy to overcome so many megaphones. Nobody has managed it so far.

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      • Alex P RoeA Alex P Roe

        @Eetschrijver @GottaLaff Well meshed because itโ€™s very well funded! Itโ€™s not easy to overcome so many megaphones. Nobody has managed it so far.

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        @alex_p_roe
        That's the whole point, isn't it? The stakeholders in this obscene scheme are already so rich that they control all the megaphones. And whoever manages opposition strong enough to be noticed is immediately crushed. Litigation against moguls of this caliber is, to all intents and purposes, impossible.
        @GottaLaff

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          @alex_p_roe
          That's the whole point, isn't it? The stakeholders in this obscene scheme are already so rich that they control all the megaphones. And whoever manages opposition strong enough to be noticed is immediately crushed. Litigation against moguls of this caliber is, to all intents and purposes, impossible.
          @GottaLaff

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          @alex_p_roe
          Just saw this.
          @GottaLaff

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            @alex_p_roe
            Just saw this.
            @GottaLaff

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            @alex_p_roe
            Re. the media: complacent or complicit? More often than not the latter, I fear.
            @GottaLaff

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            • Alex P RoeA Alex P Roe

              We have fewer police on the roads
              We have fewer doctors
              We have very expensive dental care
              We have to retire later
              Hate is widespread
              Immigrants and migrants are demonised
              Well have no jobs and little income in the future
              Food quality is falling
              Energy costs are rising
              Beaches and rivers are polluted
              Weaker policing (uk)
              Investment in education and training has virtually dried up
              The rich are getting richer
              We now have โ€œworking poorโ€.
              World war 3 is getting ever closer. (2/3)

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              List update: Public transport quality has been eroded. National companies have been offshored thus reducing their benefit to local economies.
              Trans people are being persecuted for no reason, as are #LGBTQ and others, for colour or whatever.
              The media has become little more than a propaganda arm for the right and the rich.
              - This list is not applicable to all nations yet but, please, keep voting for the right ๐Ÿ˜‰ #politics (3/3) #FarRight

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              • Alex P RoeA Alex P Roe

                @Eetschrijver @GottaLaff Iโ€™ve been compiling a list - not in order, feel free to add to it - it has a UK bias. Cc @ChrisMayLA6

                Thanks to the political #right #neoliberalism and the #farright:
                We can no longer afford kids
                We no longer have stable employment
                We have a polluted earth
                University is too expensive for those who could benefit from it
                Cars and motorbikes have become too expensive for most people
                Housing has become too expensive more most people
                Healthcare services are failingโ€ฆ (1/3)

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                #16

                We have fewer police on the roads
                We have fewer doctors
                We have very expensive dental care
                We have to retire later
                Hate is widespread
                Immigrants and migrants are demonised
                Well have no jobs and little income in the future
                Food quality is falling
                Energy costs are rising
                Beaches and rivers are polluted
                Weaker policing (uk)
                Investment in education and training has virtually dried up
                The rich are getting richer
                We now have โ€œworking poorโ€.
                World war 3 is getting ever closer. (2/3)

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                • GJ Groothedde ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บE GJ Groothedde ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ

                  @alex_p_roe
                  Re. the media: complacent or complicit? More often than not the latter, I fear.
                  @GottaLaff

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                  @Eetschrijver @GottaLaff Iโ€™ve been compiling a list - not in order, feel free to add to it - it has a UK bias. Cc @ChrisMayLA6

                  Thanks to the political #right #neoliberalism and the #farright:
                  We can no longer afford kids
                  We no longer have stable employment
                  We have a polluted earth
                  University is too expensive for those who could benefit from it
                  Cars and motorbikes have become too expensive for most people
                  Housing has become too expensive more most people
                  Healthcare services are failingโ€ฆ (1/3)

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                  • Alex P RoeA Alex P Roe

                    We have fewer police on the roads
                    We have fewer doctors
                    We have very expensive dental care
                    We have to retire later
                    Hate is widespread
                    Immigrants and migrants are demonised
                    Well have no jobs and little income in the future
                    Food quality is falling
                    Energy costs are rising
                    Beaches and rivers are polluted
                    Weaker policing (uk)
                    Investment in education and training has virtually dried up
                    The rich are getting richer
                    We now have โ€œworking poorโ€.
                    World war 3 is getting ever closer. (2/3)

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                    @alex_p_roe Public transport is ceasing to exist. Buses and trains are obviously far more efficient than cars but conservatives hate them because they aren't individual, and have made them so much more expensive than they need to be.

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                    • Alex P RoeA Alex P Roe

                      We have fewer police on the roads
                      We have fewer doctors
                      We have very expensive dental care
                      We have to retire later
                      Hate is widespread
                      Immigrants and migrants are demonised
                      Well have no jobs and little income in the future
                      Food quality is falling
                      Energy costs are rising
                      Beaches and rivers are polluted
                      Weaker policing (uk)
                      Investment in education and training has virtually dried up
                      The rich are getting richer
                      We now have โ€œworking poorโ€.
                      World war 3 is getting ever closer. (2/3)

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                      @alex_p_roe some call it the culture wars... quote from the same man that said that the only "mistake" from Orwell's "1984" was placing in the future a reality that was already here (the book was launched around (1948-1949)....

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                      • PointlessSpikeP PointlessSpike

                        @alex_p_roe Public transport is ceasing to exist. Buses and trains are obviously far more efficient than cars but conservatives hate them because they aren't individual, and have made them so much more expensive than they need to be.

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                        @PointlessSpike Good point - will add that.

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                        • Alex P RoeA Alex P Roe

                          We have fewer police on the roads
                          We have fewer doctors
                          We have very expensive dental care
                          We have to retire later
                          Hate is widespread
                          Immigrants and migrants are demonised
                          Well have no jobs and little income in the future
                          Food quality is falling
                          Energy costs are rising
                          Beaches and rivers are polluted
                          Weaker policing (uk)
                          Investment in education and training has virtually dried up
                          The rich are getting richer
                          We now have โ€œworking poorโ€.
                          World war 3 is getting ever closer. (2/3)

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                          @alex_p_roe
                          The American Dream, 21st century style.
                          A dream for billionaires, a living nightmare for others.

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                            @alex_p_roe some call it the culture wars... quote from the same man that said that the only "mistake" from Orwell's "1984" was placing in the future a reality that was already here (the book was launched around (1948-1949)....

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                            @pookiesorcery Orwell was undoubtedly prescient and no doubt took into consideration the nazi and communist regimes. The USSR at the time resembled Orwellโ€™s big brother. Actually, with todayโ€™s tech, 1984 is getting closer! I donโ€™t think we are quite there yet but events in the US are nudging us ever closer.

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                              @alex_p_roe
                              The American Dream, 21st century style.
                              A dream for billionaires, a living nightmare for others.

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                              @brouhaha That appears to be where we are headed but they may well be killing the geese that lay their golden eggs ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                @brouhaha That appears to be where we are headed but they may well be killing the geese that lay their golden eggs ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                @alex_p_roe
                                The billionaires believe that by investing hundreds of billions of dollars into AI research, that they will get AGI that eliminates their dependence on human labor. They want the science fiction post-scarcity economy, but only for themselves. Once the billionaires have AGI, they have no interest in the rest of us, and would gladly eliminate us if we get uppity.

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                                  @alex_p_roe
                                  The billionaires believe that by investing hundreds of billions of dollars into AI research, that they will get AGI that eliminates their dependence on human labor. They want the science fiction post-scarcity economy, but only for themselves. Once the billionaires have AGI, they have no interest in the rest of us, and would gladly eliminate us if we get uppity.

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                                  @alex_p_roe
                                  The fly in their ointment is that they're not going to get AGI for a very long time, if ever. Most of the money is going to LLMs, which are not on a path that leads to any intelligence, let alone AGI. Sam Altman promises otherwise, so they keep throwing money at it, and accelerating the destruction of the ecosphere in the process.

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                                    @alex_p_roe
                                    The billionaires believe that by investing hundreds of billions of dollars into AI research, that they will get AGI that eliminates their dependence on human labor. They want the science fiction post-scarcity economy, but only for themselves. Once the billionaires have AGI, they have no interest in the rest of us, and would gladly eliminate us if we get uppity.

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                                    @brouhaha The billionaires will end up with an extremely dull world in that case! We need a few more humane billionaires if they can even exist! I can only think of Soros!

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                                      @alex_p_roe
                                      The fly in their ointment is that they're not going to get AGI for a very long time, if ever. Most of the money is going to LLMs, which are not on a path that leads to any intelligence, let alone AGI. Sam Altman promises otherwise, so they keep throwing money at it, and accelerating the destruction of the ecosphere in the process.

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                                      @brouhaha Ha! It appears that quite a few billionaires believe LLMs are #AI! They are not (but I will admit to thinking they were initially). Machine learning is AI tech that helps build LLMs but thereโ€™s that #hallucination issue!

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                                        @brouhaha Ha! It appears that quite a few billionaires believe LLMs are #AI! They are not (but I will admit to thinking they were initially). Machine learning is AI tech that helps build LLMs but thereโ€™s that #hallucination issue!

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                                        @alex_p_roe
                                        Yes, AI companies keep claiming that they will remove the "hallucinations" from their LLMs, but it's bullshit. An LLM is, by definition and by construction, a hallucination machine. If you could remove the hallucinations, there would be nothing left.
                                        People are fooled easily into thinking there is intelligence in an LLM because the hallucinations often seem quite plausible on the surface, and they are stated in such a seemingly authoritative way, as if they were solid facts.

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                                          @alex_p_roe
                                          Yes, AI companies keep claiming that they will remove the "hallucinations" from their LLMs, but it's bullshit. An LLM is, by definition and by construction, a hallucination machine. If you could remove the hallucinations, there would be nothing left.
                                          People are fooled easily into thinking there is intelligence in an LLM because the hallucinations often seem quite plausible on the surface, and they are stated in such a seemingly authoritative way, as if they were solid facts.

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                                          @brouhaha Spot on - the hallucinations are extremely convincing and it can be extremely difficult to tell truth from invention. Itโ€™s probably only a matter of time before expensive litigation is brought over the reliability of LLM output.

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