Amerikkka land of the jailed (But China is defo AuThOrITarIAn!!)

I just gotta pop in and say: thank you, comrades, for absolutely making my morning by dunking on some capitalists’ useful idiots.

I don’t know what it is about this post in particular, but the threadiverse isn’t sending its best

Edit to add: Some of them were so angry that they broke out their alt accounts to downvote some more.

This is your brain on black-and-white thinking

How frequent are alt-downvotes?

Yep, used to be very frequent. They’re easy to spot because they’re either no content accounts, or old accounts, with maybe 1 comment per month. We permaban them as they add nothing of value.

old accounts, with maybe 1 comment per month

Isn’t that just lurking behaviour?

ew a China apologist

Look up the definition of authoritarianism. Bombing other countries is not the defining feature of an authoritarian government.

Lemmy.ml has a ton of communists, communists tend to support socialist countries

Uighurs

Tibet

Supporting Russia in Ukraine

Better answer the survey correctly when you live in a country that has laws like “disagreeing with the government is a crime”

Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread in China, these findings highlight that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being. Satisfaction and support must be consistently reinforced. As a result, the data point to specific areas in which citizen satisfaction could decline in today’s era of slowing economic growth and continued environmental degradation.

Understanding CPC Resiliance

The CPC does restrict the speech of capitalists, yes. However, the reason the people support the CPC is because of dramatic improvements in living conditions, not fear of the state.

At some point, you gotta dance with who brung ya. If, after over a century of experimentation, you conclude that every single AES state is as evil as the CIA tells us, there’s not much socialism to support.

You also really need to jam your eyes shut and ignore the enormous improvements in quality of life, even in the face of adverse economic headwinds, in the surviving socialist block. “Ah, but I’m not free to shitpost on the Internet the same way!” is such sad metric for a country’s success

The data from this article is up to 2016. Things have changed quite a bit since the COVID crisis.

The data from the source I provided on perceptions of democracy is from 2024. The Ash Center Study proves that this isn’t a recent thing, the CPC has broad support and successfully maintains it. Here are even more sources on the matter.

You have a hypothesis but no evidence that it actually matters.

I think some of the Reddit refuges honestly think Reddit sucks because Spez Man Bad. There’s no analysis of what creates Reddits and Spezes, and therefore they don’t recognize who made this platform and why.

I have to believe ultimately some of these people will come around, so that’s good at least.

Many do come around, Lemmy is quite good at radicalizing and educating in my experience.

The fuck is up with the Chinese propaganda on this website…

There are a lot of communists on Lemmy, and communists tend to support socialist countries. Simple as that. Plus, in the current era where the US Empire is dying, China is presenting itself as a better trade partner for the global south, one focused more on multilateralism and not on imperialism.

Alright, you did convince me that the Chinese people report strong support to the CCP and report a strong perception of democracy.
What I am still not convinced of however, is that PRC IS democratic.

In my book, for a country to be democratic it needs to have:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of press
• Freedom of reunion
• Freedom of protest
• Universal access to education
• Political plurality
• Universal suffrage
• Universal respect of human right

My opinion today is that, I highly doubt PRC qualifies to any of this points, but I don’t know for sure. If you convince me with credible evidence that PRC is better than, let’s say, France, Germany or Norway, on all these points, then I am ready to move to China with you next year.

Edit: I forgot a few important point on my democratic list of requirements:

• Laicity (division of state and religion and tolerance for all religions)
• Division of power (Legislative, Justice, Executive, etc, must be help by different institution regulating each other)