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We can, should, and must talk about what's happening in Israel and the Middle East.

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  • Serge from BabkaS This user is from outside of this forum
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    We can, should, and must talk about what's happening in Israel and the Middle East. At the same time, we cannot blame Israel for antisemitism.

    Antisemitism's rise in the West was already at record levels far before 10/7, and as we know, antisemitism pre-dates Israel's formation by thousands of years.

    Beyond that it would be wrong to place responsibility for racism on the actions of any foreign government.

    By way of example, AAPI hate does not fall on the shoulders of Xi Jinping, and even the claim that it would is itself a racist act.

    We can vehemency despise Netanyahu and the right wing coalition in Israel for their actions- which does include their harming of the reputation of Jews, but if we blame Israel for the antisemitism, then we absolve the antisemites of their hateful conflation of Israeli's minority government with that of all Jews, or heck, even all Israelis.

    If we fall into that mindset, then we've accepted the antisemitic narrative as true.

    #Antisemitism #Israel

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    • Serge from BabkaS Serge from Babka

      We can, should, and must talk about what's happening in Israel and the Middle East. At the same time, we cannot blame Israel for antisemitism.

      Antisemitism's rise in the West was already at record levels far before 10/7, and as we know, antisemitism pre-dates Israel's formation by thousands of years.

      Beyond that it would be wrong to place responsibility for racism on the actions of any foreign government.

      By way of example, AAPI hate does not fall on the shoulders of Xi Jinping, and even the claim that it would is itself a racist act.

      We can vehemency despise Netanyahu and the right wing coalition in Israel for their actions- which does include their harming of the reputation of Jews, but if we blame Israel for the antisemitism, then we absolve the antisemites of their hateful conflation of Israeli's minority government with that of all Jews, or heck, even all Israelis.

      If we fall into that mindset, then we've accepted the antisemitic narrative as true.

      #Antisemitism #Israel

      Captain Jack SparrowC This user is from outside of this forum
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      @serge

      When you say anti-semitism, do you really in fact mean "Anti-Jewish"? Palestinians are also Semitic.

      Also, Israeli state lobby groups have been weaponising "anti-semitism" for years in the West as a means of silencing politicians (for example Jeremy Corbyn) who they deem as supporting the rights of Palestinians.

      And the war crimes carried out by israel against Palestine didn't start in 2023, it has been going on for decades.

      I am not anti-Jewish, btw.

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      • Captain Jack SparrowC Captain Jack Sparrow

        @serge

        When you say anti-semitism, do you really in fact mean "Anti-Jewish"? Palestinians are also Semitic.

        Also, Israeli state lobby groups have been weaponising "anti-semitism" for years in the West as a means of silencing politicians (for example Jeremy Corbyn) who they deem as supporting the rights of Palestinians.

        And the war crimes carried out by israel against Palestine didn't start in 2023, it has been going on for decades.

        I am not anti-Jewish, btw.

        Michael Niki Knopp 🇪🇺 🐜 🏳️‍🌈M This user is from outside of this forum
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        @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @serge sorry, but you should know better what is meant by antisemitism.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

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        • Michael Niki Knopp 🇪🇺 🐜 🏳️‍🌈M Michael Niki Knopp 🇪🇺 🐜 🏳️‍🌈

          @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @serge sorry, but you should know better what is meant by antisemitism.
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

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          @mcnknopp @serge

          "What is meant by antisemitism" by who?
          People who want to deny the existence of Palestinians?

          What gives the right of one group of Semitic people to re-define the term "Semitic"

          That is just selective humanity.

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