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'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

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  • P philosloppy@lemmy.world

    …or Do Not Play

    way ahead of you there, guy

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    slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
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    Their games are so bad now that it would be better to not play them.

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    • B brsrklf@jlai.lu

      Really? Was that a long time ago?

      Seems to me he and Gearbox have been in lots of shit for a while now (the infamous USB drive, serious plagiarism accusations when Borderlands did an artistic 180 during development, Alien : Colonial Marines released broken as hell after funneling its funding to make BL2, Duke Nukem Forever…)

      And every time Pitchford’s (mostly unnecesary) public answer has been terrible.

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      Frezik
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      As far as DNF goes, it was probably an easy profit for the company. They bought it from 3D Realms and patched it up into something releasable. I doubt they spent a lot on the deal. It didn’t have to sell many copies for them to hit break even.

      Not a bad business decision, and I’m glad that development story had a definitive ending.

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      • T thatkamguy@sh.itjust.works

        I played the hell out of the first Borderlands (including New Game+ across all expansions), but promptly bounced off 2 & Pre-Sequel because it literally just felt like more of the same and I was already sated.

        BL3 and now BL4 are literally just more of the same, but with ever increasingly more egregious monetisation.

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        quovadishomines@sh.itjust.works
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        2 was good because of the Handsome Hack commentary.

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        • RayquetzalcoatlR Rayquetzalcoatl

          Not casting aspersions towards you personally, but we all know how gamer boycotts go generally. As in, they don’t. People cave and buy the games anyway, once they’re over the initial outrage. This is 100% marketing.

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          lfrith@lemmy.ca
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          Those people buy games regardless. But this feels like a personal challenge of being called out. Like the face popping out and going “yeah I knew you couldn’t resist bitch”. Usually there isn’t that psychological push back being put out there. It’s not needed.

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            melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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            Guys who wear bowties are not smart, but desperately need people to think they are.

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            • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

              Guys who wear bowties are not smart, but desperately need people to think they are.

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              abcdqfr@lemmy.world
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              What french fuckin year is it where ANYONE feels the NEED to wear a bowtie?! You can just wear your boxers as a neckerchief if you like…

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              • J jessica@discuss.tchncs.de

                It’s got Denuvo running

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                mushroommunk@lemmy.today
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                That’s probably not the cause of the issues here though. Denuvo impacts game performance but not as badly as Borderlands 4 is seeing. The engine they chose has issues even on non denuvo games. It’s an unoptimized mess and then gearbox didn’t optimize any further themselves.

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                • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

                  Guys who wear bowties are not smart, but desperately need people to think they are.

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                  omegaman@lemmings.world
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                  Bowties are fine for formal (social) occasions like weddings and parties. Wearing them around every day is weird. Wearing them to work is (generally) weird.

                  Committing to wearing them everywhere and STILL buying pre-tied ones and not learning how to tie them yourself all while being a mega douche is cringe af.

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                  • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

                    Guys who wear bowties are not smart, but desperately need people to think they are.

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                    DacoTaco
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                    I present to you bill nye as a counter argument

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                    • S spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      What’s crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I’ve got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I’m getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.

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                      mushroommunk@lemmy.today
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                      This feels like Halo Infinite all over again.

                      Oh, you have identical specs and built at the exact same time? Yeah, half of you are going to randomly have issues and half won’t. Enjoy head casing about that.

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                        InfiniteGlitch
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                        Never bought any of the Borderlands games and probably never will.

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                        • G Goodeye8

                          According to hardware unboxed 4090 at 1440 natively on the badass preset gets an average of 67 FPS. I’m not defending the poor performance of Borderlands 4, it’s definitely ass, I just don’t think we should take insane statements from randos at face value. Always verify performance with reputable sources instead of someone saying something on the web without giving the full picture. Who knows what they’ve done with their computer to get such poor performance.

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                          iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
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                          That doesn’t really seem to contradict the other person’s claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person’s pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I’m not sure what your point is.

                          A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person’s performance claim believable.

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                          • I itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world

                            The reality is you made a game that few will play for several years. You could have made a game that could be playable on most contemporary machines. You didn’t and will now have to suffer from shitty sales due to your inability to understand that the majority of us don’t have the money to spend like you do you out of touch clueless ballsack.

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                            zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            Anyone that remembers Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever knows that Randy Pitchford is garbage. He also ran off most of the talent behind BL1 and BL2, which is why BL3 writing was shitty.

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                              katana314@lemmy.world
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                              Countdown to him getting fired in 3…2…3…4…8…49…

                              Because companies ultimately seem to love leaders that are toxic these days.

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                              • InfiniteGlitchM InfiniteGlitch

                                Never bought any of the Borderlands games and probably never will.

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                                farmtaco@lemmy.world
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                                weird flex but okay

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                                • Q quovadishomines@sh.itjust.works

                                  2 was good because of the Handsome Hack commentary.

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                                  thatkamguy@sh.itjust.works
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                                  I think that was the one that started in an ice zone, if I remember correctly? I literally couldn’t get past it because I find that aesthetic quite boring…

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                                  • DacoTacoD DacoTaco

                                    I present to you bill nye as a counter argument

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                                    itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Honestly, I think he might actually fall into the category of cares more about appearing smart than being smart. Not to say he’s dumb, but I do get the sense the reputation is very important to him

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                                    • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works

                                      That doesn’t really seem to contradict the other person’s claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person’s pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I’m not sure what your point is.

                                      A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person’s performance claim believable.

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                                      Goodeye8
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                                      And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that’s hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you’d say I’m full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?

                                      My point is you can’t take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they’re omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you’re just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn’t fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.

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                                      • O omegaman@lemmings.world

                                        Bowties are fine for formal (social) occasions like weddings and parties. Wearing them around every day is weird. Wearing them to work is (generally) weird.

                                        Committing to wearing them everywhere and STILL buying pre-tied ones and not learning how to tie them yourself all while being a mega douche is cringe af.

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                                        sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                                        Yeah, learn to tie them if you’re going to make it part of your personality.

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                                          tio_bira@lemmy.world
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                                          Considering i didn’t bother to buy anything borderlands related since Borderlands 2, it will keep preety muchbthe same for me

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