Which stage are you at?
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Ubuntu and Mint need to be repeated on the far right (the actual Sesame Street definition of “right”, not Nazis)
Seriously. I feel like the people I know who know the most about computing have the least preferences for a distro, if they even use Linux at all.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
FIFY
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Yeah they’re on like alpha 7 I think? That sucks. I hope OpenSUSE is treating you better.
I see it’s just recently been announced about the beta. Great that they’re hearing up for release. I’m in support of what they’re doing I think I realised that I didn’t like Gnome (neither does System76 by the looks!).
OpenSUSE TW with KDE is perfect for me. Not a sexy/flashy distro but it is the most robust rolling release I’ve seen, and maintained by a European company that has been working on it for decades.
Particularly like the QC/staggered addition of packages and YAST.
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It’s Ubuntu for people who think Ubuntu is for noobs. A little bit further ahead, you find Ubuntu again.
Yeah because fedora is made by a for-profit company that’s helping Microsoft EEE Linux, has sold user data to Amazon, shows ads in the terminal, collects contact info from Azure so the marketing team can upsell you, and hijacks established commands to trick you into using their package manager which slows down boot times with every package installed, oh wait…
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Yeah because fedora is made by a for-profit company that’s helping Microsoft EEE Linux, has sold user data to Amazon, shows ads in the terminal, collects contact info from Azure so the marketing team can upsell you, and hijacks established commands to trick you into using their package manager which slows down boot times with every package installed, oh wait…
Fedora is indeed mostly backed by a for-profit company, always was. Not sure about the rest of the rant, I’m gonna assume you are right.
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Fedora is indeed mostly backed by a for-profit company, always was. Not sure about the rest of the rant, I’m gonna assume you are right.
Fedora is indeed mostly backed by a for-profit company, always was.
Pretty much every successful FOSS project is funded by for-profits, but that doesn’t change the fact non-profit companies have completely different goals and obligations.
Not sure about the rest of the rant
That explains why you think people don’t use Ubuntu because it’s for noobs. They’re undoubtedly the scummiest distro since Novell-SUSE.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I know nothing, and I’m keeping it that way
My system of choice is Mint, btw
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Why in the world is Fedora peak enlightenment. Any well run, simple, community run distro is peak enlightenment.
Right, how is anything more sustainable than Debian?
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I’m gonna put this out there: If you can do Endeavour or Manjaro, you can do Arch, and Arch is in no way less stable than Tumbleweed. All you need to do is to pick btrfs and enable snapshots and then never use them.
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I’m gonna put this out there: If you can do Endeavour or Manjaro, you can do Arch, and Arch is in no way less stable than Tumbleweed. All you need to do is to pick btrfs and enable snapshots and then never use them.
Isn’t Endeavour just easy install arch?
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Isn’t Endeavour just easy install arch?
Manjaro too, but with even more interference
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Manjaro too, but with even more interference
You mean because manjaro packages are older than arch right?
My understanding is that Endevouros just uses the same repos as arch while manjaro delays the package releases for testing, so the packages you get on Endevouros are essentially the same as arch but the same can’t be said of manjaro.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I went slackware to debian and am now at ubuntu. Give me a reason to waste my time with any of the others and I might. It wont be arch though. If want something like arch I might as well go back to slackware.
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Fedora fucked up my PC way more times in a year than Gentoo did in 3.
I’m not leaving Gentoo.
I’ve updated fedora releases for like 10 years with zero issues, even went from one laptop to the other and dd’d three times to new SSDs without reinstalling.
I think it may be you who fucked up your PC.
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I went slackware to debian and am now at ubuntu. Give me a reason to waste my time with any of the others and I might. It wont be arch though. If want something like arch I might as well go back to slackware.
I fucking love Ubuntu. Have been on it for about 5 years now. It just works AND doesn’t spy or advertise. Nobody has ever been able to convince me it gets better than that. I don’t need stuff to be difficult to prove to myself I’m smart.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I am so sick of seeing this ridiculous diagram being labeled the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. Go read the actual 1999 paper they wrote. The key takeaway is that the lowest quartile of people tend to overestimate their own performance, and the top quartile underestimate theirs. It doesn’t posit anything like this graph, and this is just an ironic example of ignorance.
And second, I am so sick of seeing these ridiculous distro comparisons. Stop with this elitism, even if done humorously. People of all experience levels can be found using different distros, and they all have unique advantages, disadvantages, and communities built around them. Don’t shame the great effort that people put into maintaining and developing distros, repositories, and packages. A noob can use Arch, and a master can use Ubuntu. Use what appeals to you, and be happy in knowing you can experiment or stick to anything. This is the beauty of FOSS and the Linux ecosystem; it’s a great place for both tinkerers as well as those who want familiarity. There is no one true way.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I did my first ever Linux install on a new build last year. I chose Mint, and the process was very smooth with only a few minor bumps getting up to date drivers for my newish AMD GPU. Since then I’ve grown increasingly annoyed by how limited GNOME applications are in general while also gaining increasing respect for the amount of functionality packed into KDE applications. So I’ve been shopping around for a KDE distribution. Fedora and openSUSE keep coming up, and I think I’ll be trying openSUSE soon. So I guess I’ll be skipping from the bottom left all the way to the top right.
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
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I am so sick of seeing this ridiculous diagram being labeled the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. Go read the actual 1999 paper they wrote. The key takeaway is that the lowest quartile of people tend to overestimate their own performance, and the top quartile underestimate theirs. It doesn’t posit anything like this graph, and this is just an ironic example of ignorance.
And second, I am so sick of seeing these ridiculous distro comparisons. Stop with this elitism, even if done humorously. People of all experience levels can be found using different distros, and they all have unique advantages, disadvantages, and communities built around them. Don’t shame the great effort that people put into maintaining and developing distros, repositories, and packages. A noob can use Arch, and a master can use Ubuntu. Use what appeals to you, and be happy in knowing you can experiment or stick to anything. This is the beauty of FOSS and the Linux ecosystem; it’s a great place for both tinkerers as well as those who want familiarity. There is no one true way.
So you’re saying the graph maker is in the lower quartile?
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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I’ve been using linux off and on for almost 20 years, though only did a full transition to linux for everything about two years ago. I use debian for the servers in my homelab and Fedora on all my other computers.
Something tells me this chart is based on an external assessment of competence/confidence not a self-assessment, because according to the chart I should be a guru, but in actuality I know nothing.
