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'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

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  • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

    Guys who wear bowties are not smart, but desperately need people to think they are.

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    DacoTaco
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    I present to you bill nye as a counter argument

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    • S spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      What’s crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I’ve got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I’m getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.

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      mushroommunk@lemmy.today
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      This feels like Halo Infinite all over again.

      Oh, you have identical specs and built at the exact same time? Yeah, half of you are going to randomly have issues and half won’t. Enjoy head casing about that.

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        InfiniteGlitch
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        Never bought any of the Borderlands games and probably never will.

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        • G Goodeye8

          According to hardware unboxed 4090 at 1440 natively on the badass preset gets an average of 67 FPS. I’m not defending the poor performance of Borderlands 4, it’s definitely ass, I just don’t think we should take insane statements from randos at face value. Always verify performance with reputable sources instead of someone saying something on the web without giving the full picture. Who knows what they’ve done with their computer to get such poor performance.

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          iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
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          That doesn’t really seem to contradict the other person’s claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person’s pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I’m not sure what your point is.

          A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person’s performance claim believable.

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          • I itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world

            The reality is you made a game that few will play for several years. You could have made a game that could be playable on most contemporary machines. You didn’t and will now have to suffer from shitty sales due to your inability to understand that the majority of us don’t have the money to spend like you do you out of touch clueless ballsack.

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            zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Anyone that remembers Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever knows that Randy Pitchford is garbage. He also ran off most of the talent behind BL1 and BL2, which is why BL3 writing was shitty.

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              katana314@lemmy.world
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              Countdown to him getting fired in 3…2…3…4…8…49…

              Because companies ultimately seem to love leaders that are toxic these days.

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              • InfiniteGlitchM InfiniteGlitch

                Never bought any of the Borderlands games and probably never will.

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                farmtaco@lemmy.world
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                weird flex but okay

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                • Q quovadishomines@sh.itjust.works

                  2 was good because of the Handsome Hack commentary.

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                  thatkamguy@sh.itjust.works
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                  I think that was the one that started in an ice zone, if I remember correctly? I literally couldn’t get past it because I find that aesthetic quite boring…

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                  • DacoTacoD DacoTaco

                    I present to you bill nye as a counter argument

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                    itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works
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                    Honestly, I think he might actually fall into the category of cares more about appearing smart than being smart. Not to say he’s dumb, but I do get the sense the reputation is very important to him

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                    • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works

                      That doesn’t really seem to contradict the other person’s claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person’s pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I’m not sure what your point is.

                      A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person’s performance claim believable.

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                      Goodeye8
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                      #82

                      And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that’s hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you’d say I’m full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?

                      My point is you can’t take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they’re omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you’re just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn’t fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.

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                      • O omegaman@lemmings.world

                        Bowties are fine for formal (social) occasions like weddings and parties. Wearing them around every day is weird. Wearing them to work is (generally) weird.

                        Committing to wearing them everywhere and STILL buying pre-tied ones and not learning how to tie them yourself all while being a mega douche is cringe af.

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                        sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                        Yeah, learn to tie them if you’re going to make it part of your personality.

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                        • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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                          tio_bira@lemmy.world
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                          Considering i didn’t bother to buy anything borderlands related since Borderlands 2, it will keep preety muchbthe same for me

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                          • F farmtaco@lemmy.world

                            weird flex but okay

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                            InfiniteGlitch
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                            That’s okay, I love being weird.

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                            • G Goodeye8

                              And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that’s hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you’d say I’m full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?

                              My point is you can’t take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they’re omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you’re just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn’t fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.

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                              iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
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                              But my guy, you provided context which shows that Borderlands 4 does run like shit on a 4090 in a lab environment.

                              Borderlands 3 on highest settings with a 4090, a worse cpu, at 1440p ran at 210 average fps.

                              You telling me that Borderlands 4 looks good enough compared to 3 to explain a 143 fps drop?

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                              • regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldR regrettable_incident@lemmy.world

                                He can deep-throat my dad’s days-dead dog’s decaying dong.

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                                Kernal64
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                                Damn, dude! 😂

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                                • K katana314@lemmy.world

                                  Countdown to him getting fired in 3…2…3…4…8…49…

                                  Because companies ultimately seem to love leaders that are toxic these days.

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                                  VindictiveJudge
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                                  I could be wrong, but doesn’t he own the company?

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                                  • T thatkamguy@sh.itjust.works

                                    I think that was the one that started in an ice zone, if I remember correctly? I literally couldn’t get past it because I find that aesthetic quite boring…

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                                    ArxCyberwolf
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                                    The ice zone (Southern Shelf) is only the very beginning of the game, you reach more interesting areas after defeating the first major boss, Captain Flynt.

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                                    • M massi1008@lemmy.world

                                      Hard disagree.

                                      Pre-Sequel, 3 and Wonderlands have all been great games that I had lots of fun with. I also know I’m going to have upwards of 100 hours of fun with 4. That’s what makes this whole story even more frustrating…

                                      But I’m a patient gamer. I played the previous BL games years after they came out. I’ll do the same for this one - not because I can’t afford a 60€ price tag but because articles like this.
                                      Sad.

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                                      thirdconsul@lemmy.ml
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                                      Wonderlands

                                      Interesting. To me that game was just the worst:

                                      Unskippable, long, very very very long, boring dialogues.

                                      Shitty weapons, but fantasy. E.g. no oomph feeling when you hit the enemy with a large ice explosions. It just scraps a little of their health.

                                      Boring, unchallenging fights.

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                                      • M massi1008@lemmy.world

                                        Hard disagree.

                                        Pre-Sequel, 3 and Wonderlands have all been great games that I had lots of fun with. I also know I’m going to have upwards of 100 hours of fun with 4. That’s what makes this whole story even more frustrating…

                                        But I’m a patient gamer. I played the previous BL games years after they came out. I’ll do the same for this one - not because I can’t afford a 60€ price tag but because articles like this.
                                        Sad.

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                                        twintitans@lemmy.world
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                                        BL4 is awesome so far. Works fantastic on PS5. I hope next time they just skip releasing a PC version at all and use the extra resources for the other versions like GTA.

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                                        • S sunsofold@lemmings.world

                                          I haven’t played 4, but I played 1, 2, and a bit of the presequel or whatever it was called. They were essentially all the same game. Run, shoot, run, shoot, hear vaguely off-color joke, run, shoot. Is there any particular reason to bother with an overpriced remake of the same old game? Is there a reason for worrying about 4KUHD textures on a game where the aesthetic is cartoony? If you’re a 9 year old who’s never played, and it’s all on mom’s dime, I could see being tricked into buying it by the advertisers, but why is anyone else excited about it?

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                                          twintitans@lemmy.world
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                                          30 seconds of fun repeated, the golden rule. The games fun as fuck.

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